You are not logged in.

R 1200 GS/GSA : Dobeck TFI

Peter

Candyman

  • "Peter" started this thread

Posts: 1,060

Motorbike: R1200GS-07

Mileage: 47,000 km

Location: Singapore

Thanks: 1439

  • Send private message

1

Friday, October 26th 2007, 11:18am

Dobeck TFI

Here is a summary of my experience with the Dobeck TFI.

I bought this toy in January 2007 for US$ 250 at http://www.dobeckperformance.com . The price includes a US$ 100 instant discount. It was shipped from Dobeck within a week, no fuzz no hassle. At the original price of US$ 350 I had not bought it.




Installation

1. The model specific installation instructions are sparse, in particular the photos bad and of little help. I recommend downloading a copy of the Wunderlich instructions, which are far better. The device is the same. Download here . Once I figured what goes where, the installation was really easy. The amount of wires is confusing looking at the picture, but the actual installation is not. The cables are a bit long, and sometimes hard to hide.

2. Before I hooked the device on, I did a reset of the ECU. This is done by
- disconnecting the minus battery cable for a minute or so
- switch on ignition
- blip the throttle 3 times, full open
- off the ignition.

Now the ECU is reset.

Under the seat area


OEM style plugs, long wires harness



Summary of a using report I originally postet last January:

This gadget is one of those I had only mild expectations. But after installation my expectations had been exceeded by far. The main differences are
- smoother and more controlled throttle response especially at low speed
- more powerful acceleration
- roll-off power is stronger
- the mild exhaust popping with hot engine on deceleration with no load is completely gone.
- the low speed running is particularly smooth now

The throttle always reacted a bit jerky in the 1. and 2. gear, in particular in traffic and stop and go situations (certainly enhanced by the shaft drive). This is much better now. The engine sound changes pleasantly. It looses it's bright metallic hammering noise at low rpm and on acceleration.


Conclusion

Highly recommended, it's a bringer! My GS has not shown any bad running over the first 1000 km. And now it runs even better.
Peter .PEOPLE WHO HAVE VISIONS SHOULD GO TO SEE THEIR DOCTOR

Peter

Candyman

  • "Peter" started this thread

Posts: 1,060

Motorbike: R1200GS-07

Mileage: 47,000 km

Location: Singapore

Thanks: 1439

  • Send private message

2

Friday, October 26th 2007, 11:30am

10 months later I have to redraw my statement from above.

I feel that in matter of about about 3 weeks the engine behaviour returns to its original condition. I suspect the FI of the GS balances out for all changes made through a learning protocol.

I'd say: Save the money. After all this months, to my experience the GS engine from 07 anyway runs excellent after the second service.

I posted a support question at the Dobeck website click here .
Peter .PEOPLE WHO HAVE VISIONS SHOULD GO TO SEE THEIR DOCTOR

Peter

Candyman

  • "Peter" started this thread

Posts: 1,060

Motorbike: R1200GS-07

Mileage: 47,000 km

Location: Singapore

Thanks: 1439

  • Send private message

3

Tuesday, October 30th 2007, 1:30am

Today I disconnected the TFI. Should the FI of the GS have balanced out for the current TFI settings, it should run worse, right? Tomorrow I'll know more. Hopefully it does not rain too much.
Peter .PEOPLE WHO HAVE VISIONS SHOULD GO TO SEE THEIR DOCTOR

Peter

Candyman

  • "Peter" started this thread

Posts: 1,060

Motorbike: R1200GS-07

Mileage: 47,000 km

Location: Singapore

Thanks: 1439

  • Send private message

4

Tuesday, October 30th 2007, 10:33pm

Last night I completely disconnected the TFI, but did not perform a reset to the GS - FI.

If
- the GS FI indeed did balance out for the changes made by the TFI settings
- and therefore has readjusted FI parameters to a normal levels (despite settings made with the TFI)
then I can expect the engine to run too lean for a while now.


Result
As expected a change:
- Clearly audible exhaust popping when decelerating (= no engine load), and if the engine is hot. This was easily repeatable for me over the course of the day.
- Slightly weaker acceleration and roll-off power
- the engine stalled once when I was just steering into a corner. Another time I felt it was close to stall, it had a hick-up but then caught itself.

The exhaust noises are just burble with the occasional mild fart, usually no stumbling etc., except the two situations as mentioned above.

My fuel consumption should be lower as usual, in probably two days I will know. It should increase in a matter 3 tanks to a similar level as with TFI installed - if I am right with my theory about the GS-FI being able to balance out for the TFI settings.
Peter .PEOPLE WHO HAVE VISIONS SHOULD GO TO SEE THEIR DOCTOR

vrider

Intermediate

Posts: 15

Motorbike: R 1200 GS Adventure-08

Location: Athens,Greece

Thanks: 7

  • Send private message

5

Thursday, July 10th 2008, 3:37pm

I thought that the DL was the only motorcycle with FI issues. However,
now i recall with nostalgy the problems I had with my Suzuki.
I
say this because back then, when I had a problem there were at least 2
or 3 options and a bunch of opinons about what to do. Now with the BMW
I feel I am in dead-end.

When I complain about mild backfire I get the reply 'All Flat Twins behave like that'!
Well 'All V2 behaved like that' too except mine and the rest of the VSRI members..............!

When I reported in a local forum that issue the most polite advice I got was 'Go back to your DL, or get use to it.'

Unfortunatelly
I cannot lockate a device like the one you described and PC does not
have a device for the 08 model yet. I have contacted Dynojet about this
matter but haven't received an answer yet.

Official BMW mechanic
says that a full Acrapovic system will terminate all issues of exhaust
popping (At 1800euro approx. + instalation)! Yeah, right....!

Harry

Peter

Candyman

  • "Peter" started this thread

Posts: 1,060

Motorbike: R1200GS-07

Mileage: 47,000 km

Location: Singapore

Thanks: 1439

  • Send private message

6

Thursday, July 10th 2008, 3:43pm

The Akra does not much for the GS. The Dobeck does tune the burble out but then ..., yep you read the above. What you want is the Rapidbike device. Do you know it?

What is your mileage?
Peter .PEOPLE WHO HAVE VISIONS SHOULD GO TO SEE THEIR DOCTOR

vrider

Intermediate

Posts: 15

Motorbike: R 1200 GS Adventure-08

Location: Athens,Greece

Thanks: 7

  • Send private message

7

Thursday, July 10th 2008, 4:33pm

As I have already mentioned in my Intro, I only have the bike for about a month and 1500 km, so I think it's too start 'complaining' although I did my first service (1000km).

As I already mentioned in my Intro, it seems that GS owners don't share the same problems with me, or they don't care, since I could not find the specific issue in any forum, (OK I have to admit that I did not perform a very thorough search).

So I turned directly to Dynojet but ..... no device for the 08 model.

As for the device your suggesting me , no I have't heard of it.

Harry

Peter

Candyman

  • "Peter" started this thread

Posts: 1,060

Motorbike: R1200GS-07

Mileage: 47,000 km

Location: Singapore

Thanks: 1439

  • Send private message

8

Thursday, July 10th 2008, 5:30pm

Aha! :thumbsup:

This will disappear by itself. Do not do anything or buy anything until you have 10,000 km. Then we talk again.
Peter .PEOPLE WHO HAVE VISIONS SHOULD GO TO SEE THEIR DOCTOR

vrider

Intermediate

Posts: 15

Motorbike: R 1200 GS Adventure-08

Location: Athens,Greece

Thanks: 7

  • Send private message

9

Thursday, July 10th 2008, 6:06pm

That's good to hear! :)

Thanks

Harry

vrider

Intermediate

Posts: 15

Motorbike: R 1200 GS Adventure-08

Location: Athens,Greece

Thanks: 7

  • Send private message

10

Friday, July 11th 2008, 5:29pm

By the way yesterday I received an answer form dynojet:

Our 936-411 unit will work for the bike. We just
haven't had one in here yet to develop any maps for at this time. Your best
option at this time is to take it to a dyno shop and have a custom tune done. At
this time I have no eta on when we are getting an 08 model in here to test with.



Mike
Shefler

Dynojet Research
Inc.


1-800-992-4993



1 registered user thanked already.

Users who thanked for this post:

Peter

Peter

Candyman

  • "Peter" started this thread

Posts: 1,060

Motorbike: R1200GS-07

Mileage: 47,000 km

Location: Singapore

Thanks: 1439

  • Send private message

11

Friday, July 11th 2008, 7:17pm

From the way how I see things it is not necessary, unless you are going into performance tuning. The GS runs a bit rough first, and sometimes even crappy. Latest after the second adjustment of the valves it will be smooth, and it will be merely an occasional faint burble (with no engine load and small throttle opening). Which many even like.

Thanks anyway for posting the response!
Peter .PEOPLE WHO HAVE VISIONS SHOULD GO TO SEE THEIR DOCTOR

Counter:

Hits today: 145 | Hits yesterday: 382 | Hits record: 3,110 | Hits total: 309,470 | Counter age (days): 615.41