International BMW Rear Drive Poll / Internationale BMW HAG-Umfrage

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Wednesday, November 10th 2010, 9:44am

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English: Please vote and tell your BMW friends about the poll, too. Than more BMW owners participate, than more meaningful the results!

Sections A.1 - A.3 are for those who never experienced any problem with the rear drive. You do not need to mark anything in the B section.
Sections B.1 - B.5 are for those who did experience problems related to the rear drive (seal, bearing). You do not need the section A.
If you own(ed) multiple BMW motorcycles, please use the date from the newest bike which has more than 15,000 m / 24.000 km mileage.
Voting is only possible for registered Forum members. I'd love to do without but there are too many smaller and bigger kids around on the internet. Please do not hesitate registering to participate, it is very easy.
Your participation is to the benefit of the community!

German: Bitte auch Deine BMW Freunde zur Teilnahme anregen, denn je mehr Teilnehmer desto aussagekräftiger wird das Resultat!
Sektion A.1 - A.3 ist für die Besitzer die kein Problem mit Hinterradantrieb (Simmerring, Lager) hatten. Bitte nichts in der Sektion B markieren.
Sektion B.1 - B.5 ist für alle mit Problemen in Bezug auf den Simmerring + Lager. Du brauchst natürlich nichts in der Sektion A zu markieren.
Bei Besitz von mehr als einer BMW bitte die Daten vom letzten Bike mit relevanter Km-Leistung verwenden (also mehr als 24.000 km).
Leider muss man zur Abstimmung Mitglied sein. Ich würde es gerne ohne Mitgliedschaft machen, aber es sind zu viele kleine und große Kinder im Internet unterwegs. Ich weiß man zögert immer erst mal aber hier ist registrieren schnell erledigt.
Deine Teilnahme ist Vorteil für alle!

LAST REMINDER: A-Section = for everyone with no issues, B-Section = Voting for those with issues.
NOCHMALS: A-Sektion ist für alle ohne Probleme, B-Sektion für alle mit Problemen.

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Wednesday, November 10th 2010, 1:27pm

A.1 - No issue = A section only / Keine Probleme = nur A-Sektion

Which mileage do you have at current? / Welche KM-Leistung derzeit?

A total of 131 Votes have been submitted.

21%

< 15,000 m / < 24.000 km (27)

20%

15,001 - 22,000 m / 24.001 - 35.000 km (26)

17%

22,001 - 28,000 m / 35.001 - 45.000 km (22)

11%

28,001 - 34,000 m / 45.001 - 55.000 km (14)

8%

34,001 - 40,000 m / 55.001 - 65.000 km (10)

7%

40,001 - 50,000 m / 65.001 - 80.000 km (9)

5%

50,001 - 62,000 m / 80.001 - 100.000 km (7)

12%

> 62.000 / 100.000 km (16)

A - SECTION

- No Failure
- Without seal or bearing failure, please indicate your mileage.

- Kein Schaden
- Ohne jeden Simmerring- oder Lagerschaden, bitte Laufleistung markieren

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Wednesday, November 10th 2010, 1:51pm

A.2

My BMW is a / Meine BMW ist eine

A total of 130 Votes have been submitted.

2%

R 800 / 850 (2)

10%

R 1100 (13)

16%

R 1150 (21)

72%

R 1200 (93)

1%

other BMW with shaft drive /andere BMW mit Kardanantrieb (1)

- No Failure

- Kein Schaden

HP-Boxer = R 1200

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Wednesday, November 10th 2010, 2:20pm

A.3

My BMW motorcycle year of built / meine BMW ist aus Baujahr

A total of 129 Votes have been submitted.

2%

until / bis 1995 (2)

2%

1996 (3)

2%

1997 (2)

4%

1998 (5)

2%

1999 (2)

3%

2000 (4)

3%

2001 (4)

4%

2002 (5)

3%

2003 (4)

9%

2004 (11)

13%

2005 (17)

9%

2006 (11)

14%

2007 (18)

17%

2008 (22)

8%

2009 (10)

7%

2010 (9)

- No Failure

- Kein Schaden

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Wednesday, November 10th 2010, 2:29pm

B.1

YES rear drive seal or bearing failed at / JA Simmering hinten undicht oder Lager defekt bei

A total of 59 Votes have been submitted.

20%

< 15,000 m / < 24.000 km (12)

19%

15,001 - 22,000 m / 24.001 - 35.000 km (11)

12%

22,001 - 28,000 m / 35.001 - 45.000 km (7)

8%

28,001 - 34,000 m / 45.001 - 55.000 km (5)

19%

34,001 - 40,000 m / 55.001 - 65.000 km (11)

14%

40,001 - 50,000 m / 65.001 - 80.000 km (8)

5%

50,001 - 62,000 m / 80.001 - 100.000 km (3)

3%

> 62.000 / 100.000 km (2)

FROM HERE: B - SECTION

- Failure Report
- Please indicate the mileage at failure. If multiple failures related to seal or bearing please use the worst case incident.

- Schadensreport
- Bitte die Km-Leistung zum Zeitpunkt des Schadens markieren. Bei mehreren Schäden bitte den schlechtesten Fall verwenden.

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Wednesday, November 10th 2010, 11:29pm

B.2

The failure was related to / der Schadenumfang betraf

A total of 57 Votes have been submitted.

37%

only seal leakage / nur Simmerring undicht (21)

26%

only bearing damaged / nur Lagerdefekt (15)

16%

seal leakage and bearing / Simmerring und Lager (9)

21%

seal, bearing and more damage to the FD / Simmerring, Lager, und mehr Schaden am Hinterachsgetriebe (12)

- Failure Report

- Schadensreport

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Wednesday, November 10th 2010, 11:34pm

B.3

The cost of the repair was handled by / der Schaden wurde bezahlt durch

A total of 56 Votes have been submitted.

34%

warranty / Garantie (19)

7%

follow-up warranty / Garantieverlängerung (4)

5%

partial by BMW goodwill / teilweise Kostenübernahme durch BMW Kulanz (3)

2%

fully by BMW goodwill / volle Kostenübernahme durch BMW Kulanz (1)

52%

fully at own expenses / voll durch mich selbst (29)

- Failure Report

- Schadensreport

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Wednesday, November 10th 2010, 11:38pm

B.4

My BMW is a / Meine BMW ist eine

A total of 59 Votes have been submitted.

0%

R 800 / 850

5%

R 1100 (3)

25%

R 1150 (15)

69%

R 1200 (41)

0%

other BMW with shaft drive / andere BMW mit Kardanantrieb

- Failure Report

- Schadensreport

HP-Boxer = R 12000

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Wednesday, November 10th 2010, 11:45pm

B.5

My BMW motorcycle year of built / meine BMW ist aus Baujahr

A total of 59 Votes have been submitted.

0%

until / bis 1995

2%

1996 (1)

0%

1997

0%

1998

0%

1999

8%

2000 (5)

3%

2001 (2)

8%

2002 (5)

3%

2003 (2)

12%

2004 (7)

17%

2005 (10)

12%

2006 (7)

14%

2007 (8)

14%

2008 (8)

5%

2009 (3)

2%

2010 (1)

- Failure Report

- Schadensreport

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Sunday, November 21st 2010, 3:17pm

C.1

Multiple rear-drive issues / Mehrfach HAG Probleme

A total of 30 Votes have been submitted.

43%

1x seal / 1x Simmering (13)

10%

2x seal / 2x Simmering (3)

0%

3x or more seal / 3x oder mehr Simmering

33%

1x bearing / 1x Lager (10)

10%

2x bearing / 2x Lager (3)

0%

3x or more bearing / 3x Lager

10%

1x further damage to the rear drive / 1x weiterer Folgeschaden am HAG (3)

3%

2x further damage to the rear drive / 2x weiterer Folgeschaden am HAG (1)

7%

more than any combination of above answers allow / mehr als die oben moeglichen Kombinationen zulassen (2)

Supplementary Questions
Answering not essential but could provide some interesting side-info on top of the above.

Zusatzfragen
Beantwortung nicht essentiell könnte aber interessante Zusatz-Infos liefern. Mehrfachmarkierung möglich.

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Sunday, November 21st 2010, 3:45pm

C.2

Have you been left stranded on the road-side with a rear drive issue and required 3. party assistance / Bist Du mit einem HAG-Fehler liegen geblieben und benötigtest Hilfe von dritten?

A total of 40 Votes have been submitted.

75%

No, I had an issue but made it home / Nein, ich hatte einen Defekt aber konnte nach Hause fahren (30)

23%

Yes 1x / Ja 1x (9)

3%

Yes 2x / Ja 2x (1)

0%

Yes 3x and more / Ja 3x und öfter

Supplementary Questions

Zusatzfragen

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Sunday, November 21st 2010, 3:48pm

C.3

I saw my riding buddy been stranded with a rear drive issue / Ich habe erleben müssen wie mein Motorradfreund wg. HAG Problemen liegen geblieben ist

A total of 43 Votes have been submitted.

86%

Never / Niemals (37)

12%

1x / 1x (5)

0%

2x / 2x

2%

3x and more / 3x und mehr (1)

Supplementary Questions

Zusatzfragen

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Monday, November 22nd 2010, 12:38am

C.4

Is the future reliability of the FD on my BMW a worry point? / Ist die zukünftige Verlässlichkeit des HAG an meiner BMW ein Sorgenpunkt?

A total of 47 Votes have been submitted.

19%

1 (9)

2%

2 (1)

2%

3 (1)

6%

4 (3)

11%

5 (5)

9%

6 (4)

6%

7 (3)

13%

8 (6)

6%

9 (3)

15%

10 (7)

11%

not sure / keine Ahnung (5)

Supplementary Questions
Rate from 1 = No worries at all to 10 = Yes, strongly so

Zusatzfragen
Wähle von 1 = Nein, keinerlei Sorgen bis 10 = Ja, ständig

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Monday, November 22nd 2010, 11:46am

C.5 - R 1200 Gs + Adv:

Top 5 hot wishes / Die 5 heißesten Wünsche

A total of 57 Votes have been submitted.

46%

lower weight / niedrigeres Fahrzeuggewicht (26)

40%

cruise control option / Tempomat bestellbar (23)

37%

more light in front / mehr Licht vom Hauptscheinwerfer (21)

32%

6. gear as O/D gear / langer 6. Gang (18)

32%

better quality OEM suspension similar to Wilbers / bessere Federbeine, etwa wie z.B. Wilbers (18)

30%

less 'clunky' transmission / weniger 'klackernde' Kraftübertragung (17)

26%

lower BMW factory accessory pricing / niedrigere Preise für BMW Zubehörteile (15)

25%

thicker rubber hand grips / dickere Griffgummis (14)

25%

more powerful battery / leistungsfähigere Fahrzeugbatterie (14)

21%

Lower fuel consumption /niedrigerer Benzinverbrauch (12)

18%

more visibility of the rear end -> rear light / verbesserte Sichtbarkeit von hinten -> Heckleuchte (10)

16%

more torque / mehr Drehmoment (9)

16%

lower selling price / niedrigerer Verkaufspreis (9)

14%

more horsepower / mehr Ps (8)

14%

factory power plug upfront / Steckdose vorne serienmäßig (8)

14%

2 equal sized symmetrical side cases / 2 gleich große symmetrische Koffer (8)

12%

shorter gearing / kürzere Übersetzung (7)

11%

more seat adjust-ability / mehr Sitz Einstellmöglichkeiten (6)

11%

bigger tank / grösserer Tank (6)

4%

longer gearing / längere Übersetzung (2)

Supplementary Questions
Choose 5

Zusatzfragen
Wähle 5

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Monday, November 22nd 2010, 11:07pm

What do I do if I have two GSA's 8-)

I rated the 08, but I have had no issues with either of my 04s.

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2001 ATK 605 Enduro
Many others that are gone 8-)

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Monday, November 22nd 2010, 11:51pm

It's ok ghostrider. It is the limitation of such polls. Not possible to stretch it for accommodating every individual case. Well done taking the '08.

If you want to the only way would registering again for each voting, if you have a second and third email address. I could delete the additional registrations as soon as the votes are in place.

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Tuesday, November 23rd 2010, 9:41am

Don't need to go to that much trouble

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Sunday, December 5th 2010, 10:24pm

Suggestion for survey

I strongly suggest that one of the items in the C.5 section should be " More comfortable seat". I have my second R1200Gs in the last 3 years and am just amazed at how uncomfortable the seats are on these expensive motorcycles. - Bob

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Monday, December 6th 2010, 3:42pm

Bob, it did pop into my mind. But later I decided no, I will not go there. Looking through the bike forums seats and wind shields make up for most posts, regardless brand or year. Seats and wind shields are too personal. If you look for a really lousy seat try a KTM :thumbsup:

Sorry

The one on the GS is constructed for an average person of ~ 170 pound. It has to somehow ... somewhat, somehow fit for the 250 pound western fat-ass and for the 140 pound Singaporean at the same time. May be BMW has a good idea for some sort of universal seat.

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