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Tuesday, June 5th 2007, 11:46pm

After market exhaust - benefit?

MOTORRAD tested 15 aftermarket exhausts for the R12GS, which included several major brands from all over the world. From the entire range only 2 exhausts reached the performance of the original exhaust. All of them with no exception were louder, some of them plenty dB's louder - without performance increase.

One good example is the Remus Revolution (similar to the Sebring Twister).

Stock exhaust
101 hp / 7600 rpm
Torque 109 Nm / 5700 rpm
Idle noise: 85 dB
Running noise: 79 dB

Remus Revolution exhaust
99 hp / 7100 rpm
Torque 109 Nm / 5800 rpm
Idle noise: 89 dB
Running noise: 84 dB

Only after a specialist company modifies the Remus exhaust, it is on par with the stock, plus slightly quieter than the original version from Remus.

AC Schnitzer Revolution
101 hp / 7800 hp
109 Nm / 5800 rpm
Idle noise: 88 dB
Running noise: 83 dB

Remus


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Just what I was suspecting: Hoping for hp gains with aftermarket exhausts ... well likely - not!

Note the Remus Revolution was one of the better out the test field. Some others did degrade the performace quite significantly. The second exhaust which reached and slightly exceeded the stocker was from SR Racing, as well an individually made item.



(source: http://www.motorradonline.de/static/spec…et_auspuff.html )
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Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 10:03pm

Exhaust- Aftermarket

This is VERY interesting.

I tried a Remus Genesis with Y-Pipe on my 1150 GSA. LOUD- I felt it did increase the upper-mid range power some, but not enough to validate the noise.

Then put the stock muffler on with the Remus Y-Pipe [cat elem.] and really liked that combo. A little louder than stock, but a nice mellow sound. I felt that it gave me more in the lower-mid power range and the engine seemed to respond better.

Presently I am running CAT with straight pipe so I can use full size system cases. Not too loud but kinda ratty harsh note. It seems the engine does not like this as much as the Y-Pipe and the stock muffler.

These are all seat of pants.
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Monday, June 18th 2007, 9:44pm

RE: Exhaust- Aftermarket

Peter, do you have the sound figuires for the SR pipes?

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Monday, June 18th 2007, 10:52pm

RE: Exhaust- Aftermarket

Stock
Material: SS
Weight: 7780 g
Price: 699.96 Euro
Silencer length: 47 cm
Diameter: 16.6 x 13.2 cm (oval)
Idle noise: 85 dB (A)
Running noise: 79 dB (A)
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SR-Racing



Material: Titan
Weight: 3100 g
Price: 600.60 Euro
Variants: SS = 539.80 Euro
Silencer length: 52 cm
Diameter: 14.2 x 12.1 cm (oval)
Idle noise: 87 dB (A)
Running noise: 82 dB (A)
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AC-Schnitzer Revolution



Material: Titan
Weight: 3740 g
Price: 495 Euro
Variants: Aluminium = 399 Euro
Silencer length: 52 cm
Diameter: 13.7 x 10.6 cm (oval)
Idle noise: 88 dB (A)
Running noise: 83 dB (A)


Remus Revolution



Material: Aluminium
Weight: 3820 g
Price: 395 Euro
Variants: Titanium = 465 Euro, Carbon 465 Euro
Silencer length: 51 cm
Diameter: 13.8 x 10.6 cm (oval)
Idle noise: 89 dB (A)
Running noise: 84 dB (A)


Arrow



Material: Aluminium
Weight: 3440 g
Price: 448 Euro
Variants: Titanium = 558 Euro
Silencer length: 53 cm
Diameter: 14.3 x 11.3 cm (oval)
Idle noise: 87 dB (A)
Running noise: 82 dB (A)


Bos



Material: Aluminium
Weight: 3800 g
Price: 378 Euro
Variants: SS = 399 Euro, Chromed = 429 Euro, Carbon = 499 Euro
Silencer length: 52 cm
Diameter: 13.8 x 10.7 cm (oval)
Idle noise: 89 dB (A)
Running noise: 83 dB (A)


Hattech



Material: SS
Weight: 4860 g
Price: 446 Euro
Variants: round can = 429 Euro
Silencer length: 51 cm
Diameter: 12.4 x 9.4 cm (oval)
Idle noise: 90 dB (A)
Running noise: 84 dB (A)


Holeshot



Material: SS
Weight: 3520 g
Price: 328 Euro
Variants: round can = 429 Euro
Silencer length: 51 cm
Diameter: 11.8
Idle noise: 90 dB (A)
Running noise: 84 dB (A)


Hurric



Material: Carbon
Weight: 3800 g
Price: 329 Euro
Variants: Aluminium = 279 Euro
Silencer length: 47 cm
Diameter: 13 x 10.2 cm (oval)
Idle noise: 90 dB (A)
Running noise: 83 dB (A)


Laser



Material: Carbon
Weight: 3620 g
Price: 498 Euro
Variants: SS = 393 Euro, Titamium = 481 Euro
Silencer length: 50 cm
Diameter: 14 x 11.1 cm (oval)
Idle noise: 89 dB (A)
Running noise: 82 dB (A)


Leovince



Material: Aluminium
Weight: 3500 g
Price: 299 Euro
Variants: Carbon or Titamium = 399 Euro
Silencer length: 50 cm
Diameter: 13.8 x 10.4 cm (oval)
Idle noise: 91 dB (A)
Running noise: 83 dB (A)


Sebring Twister



Material: Aluminium
Weight: 3820 g
Price: 372 Euro
Variants: Titanium or Carbon = 462 Euro
Silencer length: 49 cm
Diameter: 14.2 x 10.7 cm (oval)
Idle noise: 89 dB (A)
Running noise: 84 dB (A)


Zach



Material: SS
Weight: 4840 g
Price: 445 Euro
Silencer length: 45 cm
Diameter: 11.5 cm
Idle noise: 92 dB (A)
Running noise: 85 dB (A)

Source:Motorrad Online


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Tuesday, June 26th 2007, 3:22am

RE: After market exhaust - benefit?

Peter,
I have put the Remus Y-Pipe on my 02 GSA.

Results- seat of the pants dyno says it mainly give me a little crisper roll on above 3500 RPM.

Also saved all the weight of the CAT.

Noise level- not much more than stock till you get on it, but still not loud. Using stock muffler.
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Sunday, July 15th 2007, 9:50am

RE: After market exhaust - benefit?

The header pipe from Remus was measured to bring more than a can. For the R 12 GS is was about 4 hp more on top, without any other adjustment. And better midrange torque, just as what you said.

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Friday, January 9th 2009, 1:53pm

Here the latest on exhausts for the R 1200 GS from '08. Test results by MOTORRAD NEWS Feb-2009:

SR Racing 109.7 hp / 113.9 Nm
Original 109.2 hp / 112.9 Nm
Sebring 108.6 hp / 112.2 Nm
HPE 108.5 hp /110.9 Nm
Laser 105.2 hp / 112.7 Nm
LeoVince 109.8 hp / 110.4 Nm
BOS 109.6 hp / 104.9 Nm
Akrapovic 104.7 hp / 106.9 Nm

(Sebring = Remus)
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Friday, January 9th 2009, 10:27pm

RE: RE: After market exhaust - benefit?

The header pipe from Remus was measured to bring more than a can. For the R 12 GS is was about 4 hp more on top, without any other adjustment. And better midrange torque, just as what you said.

Is the hp increase just because you dump the cat?

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Friday, January 9th 2009, 11:33pm

To my knowledge because of better gas flow in the straighter piping.

Note, a Cat is not always reducing hp. It usually doesn't or not significantly so, if it's surface is big enough. SR Racing has a full system with Y pipe which moves the Cat into the can, see result below. Now don't forget the Cat location BMW choose has the advantage that people are able mounting different cans easily, without worrying about not passing EU emission regulations.



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Saturday, January 10th 2009, 12:38am

So you need to get a full SR Racing system to keep your cat, you cant just change y-pipe and still keep the cat?

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Saturday, January 10th 2009, 12:48am

There is no Cat if you only buy the Y header pipe. You need to buy a full system like the ones from Remus or from SR-Racing, if you want to stay with Cat.
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Thursday, January 15th 2009, 2:34am

The following is a summary of an exhaust can test done by German magazine MOTORRAD NEWS, edition Feb-2009. The exhausts were tested on the new '08 R 1200 GS models.

1. SR-Racing - 14 points (max. = 15)
Power: 109.7 hp / 7.750 rpm
Torque: 113.9 Nm / 5.750 rpm
Idle noise: 90 dB
Weight: 3.340 g
Dimensions: 550 x 150 mm
Material: SS
Price (in Germany): 564 Euro
* Power and torque graphs: Shines in the mid range, specifically from 3.800 - 5.200 rpm. A little torque dent around 4.500 is still remaining but no other exhaust eliminates it likewise well. For the rider there should be no power hole at all, since hp is climbing up around this area with the SR. In the low and in the upper range performance is comparable to OEM.

Summary: Juicy sound at moderate noise levels. Excellent crafting - the clamp is a little piece of art. Also the power curve is good, no other exhaust helps the torque dent at around 4.500 rpm better. For this work we award our buying recommendation to Mr. Bruckschaegel ( note: it is the exhaust guru behind SR-Racing).


2. LeoVince Evolution 2 - 13 points
Power: 109.8 hp / 7.750 rpm
Torque: 110.4 Nm / 5.500 rpm
Idle noise: 90 dB
Weight: 4190 g
Dimensions: 560 x 140 mm
Material: aluminium
Price (in Germany): 329 Euro
* Power and torque graphs: Hp and torque graphs are identical with OEM.

Summary: Power generally is pretty much on the same level as the stock exhaust, only at the top we found a bit extra: we measured the highest hp in this test field. Crafting and price are all right. And because the sound is levels are moderate - we award our price recommendation to LeoVince, even though the installation was not the easiest.


3. Sebring Twister - 12 points
Power: 108.6 hp / 7.750 rpm
Torque: 112.9 Nm / 5.750 rpm
Idle noise: 91 dB
Weight: 4.376 g
Dimensions: 560 x 140 mm
Material: aluminium
Price (in Germany): 428 Euro
* Power and torque graphs: Slight plus in between 4.000 - 5.000 rpm, otherwise the curves stay much in line with OEM.

Summary: Perfect fit and moderate noise levels with real deep sound are the arguments of the Twister. The power curve is decent, the dent at 4.500 rpm is slightly improved. All in all a decent value for the money, and therefore we award our recommendation.


4. Bos GTS/S - 11 points
Power: 109.6 hp / 7.750 rpm
Torque: 104.9 Nm / 5.750 rpm
Idle noise: 93 dB
Weight: 3.840 g
Dimensions: 580 x 140 mm
Material: aluminium
Price (in Germany): 449 Euro
* Power and torque graphs: Below 3.000 rpm significantly less Nm, from there onwards albeit improved power and torque remain always 3 - 8 % below OEM. From 7.000 rpm on par.

Summary: A well made can with perfect fit und gut top hp. The torque development is lesser convincing, in particular the lower range lacks Nm ( minus 9.9 Nm at 2.500 rpm, compared to stock). Mounting is a child's play, and the price is ok.


5. Laser Duo-Tech - 10 points
Power: 105.2 hp / 7.500 rpm
Torque: 112.7 Nm / 5.500 rpm
Idle noise: 90 dB
Weight: 4.500 g
Dimensions: 550 x 150 mm
Material: SS
Price (in Germany): 359 Euro
* Power and torque graphs: Up to 5.500 rpm identical to OEM, above 4 % below.

Summary: Lighter as the stock can and low priced. The crafting is ok, the sound is pleasant and not annoying at all. Problem: In the higher ranges hp are clearly behind the stock exhaust.


5. Akrapovic -10 points
Power: 104.7 hp / 7.750 rpm
Torque: 106.9 Nm / 5.500 rpm
Idle noise: 93 dB
Weight: 2.562 g
Dimensions: 520 c 150 mm
Material: titanium
Price (in Germany): 615 Euro
* Power and torque graphs: Until 5.200 rpm not much different to OEM, above ~ 5 % below.

Summary: Nobel material, finest crafting and competionless low weight are the plus points for the Akra can. We also found a powerful and juicy sound a really flawless appearance. But: There are 5 hp lacking, and the price is quite hefty.


5. HPE - 10 points
Power: 108.5 hp
Torque: 110.9 Nm
Idle noise: 94 dB
Weight: 4001 g
Dimensions: 600 x 150 mm
Material: SS
Price (in Germany): 719.90 Euro
* Power and torque graphs: In between 2000 - 3.000 rpm almost 10% lesser torque than OEM, from 3.000 - 5.800 rpm similar, from 5.800 - 7.000 rpm 2 or 3 % lesser, above similar again.

Summary: Power delivery of the HPE is okay. The installation can not convince, because of the badly fitting bracket. Additonally the exhaust is pretty noisy. But: For fans of double-cans one of the few alternatives.


6. BMW OEM - 9 points
Power: 109.2 hp
Torque: 112.9 Nm
Idle noise: 88 dB
Weight: 5910 g
Dimensions: 470 x 190 mm
Material: SS
Price (in Germany): 637.25
* Power and torque graphs: Except a dent at around 4.500 rpm constant increase of hp until 7.800 rpm, from 3.500 - 7.800 rpm always above 100 Nm, except the infamous dent around 4.500 rpm.

Summary: Everybody knows it - the factory exhaust is pretty good. Why buy another one? The aftermarket cans are lighter, sometimes deliver more power and better sound. Those who want a change will find a good alternative.



Comment: I would like to add my personal opinion. The magazine's published power and torque graphs speak for themselves: Except a dent at around 4.500 rpm delivery with the BMW can is top. The peak power and torque are also among the best, and that with the lowest noise level within this group. Except the SR-Racing and the Sebring none of the other products here have anything more to offer, ofte the opposite is true. The BMW can is made fully from stainless steel, therefore it should outlast the motorcycle. On the negative side is the high weight and of course the price. Both points which are the exact advantages of the aftermarket products. As a cheaper replacement for an accident can, ok. But better? Mostly not. The 9 points awarded for the OEM can be in a way a bit misleading.

* indicates my readings of the power and torque graphs as published by the magazine.
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Friday, January 30th 2009, 3:28am

I was really thinking of changing exhaust, but the numbers speak for themselves, other than weight savings....the OEM exhaust works well and will probably out last the others...Think I will hold my $ for other farkles :thumbup:
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Monday, March 23rd 2009, 10:07pm

For those interested, here is the winning exhaust for the R 1200 GS from SR-Racing



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Tuesday, May 18th 2010, 9:58pm

Aftermarket exhaust systems are a poor ROI. The major advantage is weight loss. Removing the CAT is illegal here in the US and provides little HP gain.

Unless you are going to race or compete with your BMW, spend you money on other engine mods if it is power you're looking for.

If all you want is more noise, turn up the volume on your Ipod...save your money for something important. :thumbdown:
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Tuesday, May 18th 2010, 11:05pm

I am with you on this def, but preferences of people are different. In Germany after-market exhausts are the no.1 accessories that people buy, often right away together with the new bike.

Interestingly, from the first enthusiastic comments now I am hearing complaints about the new exhaust note from the 2010 GS as being too obnoxious on longer trips. A befriended women pillion was saying to her husband: You fix this or you go alone!
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Wednesday, May 19th 2010, 5:56am

I am with you on this def, but preferences of people are different. In Germany after-market exhausts are the no.1 accessories that people buy, often right away together with the new bike.

Interestingly, from the first enthusiastic comments now I am hearing complaints about the new exhaust note from the 2010 GS as being too obnoxious on longer trips. A befriended women pillion was saying to her husband: You fix this or you go alone!

A befriended women pillion was saying to her husband: You fix this or you go alone!

Might be a plus to that :thumbup:
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Wednesday, May 19th 2010, 7:02am

I am with you on this def, but preferences of people are different. In Germany after-market exhausts are the no.1 accessories that people buy, often right away together with the new bike.

Interestingly, from the first enthusiastic comments now I am hearing complaints about the new exhaust note from the 2010 GS as being too obnoxious on longer trips. A befriended women pillion was saying to her husband: You fix this or you go alone!
Peter, I understand that aftermarket exhaust systems are popular. However, the boxer engine makes uninspiring sounds. :thumbdown: There is little valve overlap and valve timing is not aggressive as in other engines (Ducati and Aprillia). If you want to hear a sweet engine sounds, visit here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q9LDAVDy0w&feature=related ...Now that is some internal combustion. BTW, that is 72 pistons providing the sounds... :thumbup:

Or, try this....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ratfuML9QA&feature=related

Our boxers?....sorry, they're merely glorified lawnmower engines. :chuckle:
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Wednesday, May 19th 2010, 3:37pm

All I want from it is quiet running, and the low gravity point. It's providing me that.

I'd prefer a water-cooled engine. That is scheduled for 2012 as I hear.
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Tuesday, November 23rd 2010, 3:34am

Hi Peter, Please tell me if my understanding below is correct:

It seems that those tests done by Motorrad were for aftermarket Cans/Silencers/Mufflers attached to the standard headers which included the catalysator.

Conclusion - to change the cans on their own makes little difference except maybe weight/size/looks. Am I correct?

So therefore the conclusion seems to be to not change the can (unless one is happy to spend quite a lot to save a few kg) but change the headers for one with no Cat.

Is the test you show from SR Racing for a system with a Cat or no Cat? I assume they cannot easily sell a zorst in Germany with no Cat in it?

I would like to know the results of a Header with no Cat and a stock Can.

This is what I got from the Wunderlich Website:

Wunderlich Sport Exhaust Header System

If you truly want to save weight and achieve an optimum performance curve, you can go far with the header system:

• Performance gain nearly over the entire rpm range and much higher peak performance (a performance enhancement of up to 14 HP and 10 Nm can be achieved with a free-flowing sport

exhaust system plus the PerformanceController)

• Low weight as it has no catalytic converter or balance pipe.

• Strong sound (approx. 5 dB(A) more).

• Optimised pipe routing.

• With provision to bolt the oxygen sensor in (no modifications of vehicle).

• Easy to install.

• Extremely strong system from satin-finish V4A stainless steel.

• Matched to original and Wunderlich silencers, but other aftermarket silencers fit as well.

Remove the catalytic converter? No problem at all! We only ever sell collectors with built-in oxygen sensor connection.

As far as the sensor is concerned, it does not matter whether a catalytic convertor is present or not. The main thing is that the sensor is able to measure something and transfer this information to the Motronic. The unit can therefore be exchanged without any problems/hazards. The lack of a cat. is often crucial for increased performance and the use of lower quality petrol.

What do you think? Regards, Peter Watts

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