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Saturday, May 19th 2007, 7:08pm

Watching the Tire Pressure

My Tire Watch arrived safely at my doorstep 4 weeks after the order has been placed with Vancosport. I paid US$ 350 / Euro 260 / S$ 530 incl. shipping. Handling of my order was without any issues. A query I had was attended to promptly, and finally answered to my satisfaction within three days.




From the top:
- 2 pcs pressure/temperature sensors.
They mount as counterparts to the pretty
- 2 pcs 90 degrees angle tire valves
- the display unit
- a pack with small installation parts like seals for the valves, different mounting bolts, etc.
- snap-in mounting clamp, to mount on even surfaces like a dashboard surface
- snap-in mounting clamp for handle bar mounting


Some Details:

One of the sensors



mounts to the beautifully made tire valve.



The display



shows tire temperature in C or F, ambient temperature, time, and of course the tire pressures in bar or psi.

Mounted to my GS:




Description:

The sensor installation is easy as screwing in ordinary valve stems. It can be done when the tires are due to change anyway. The valves are made from aluminium. The manual mentions as important point, that one should make slow movement turns only when tightening the sensor units, in order to prevent weakening of the soft aluminium. There are three versions of the Tire Watch available, which differ through the type of valves included. The valve must match with the type of rim.

As for the included mounting material, the variety of the different parts should make it possible for everyone to find a way for mounting the display reasonably. If really nothing else works, there is also a slot-in bracket which fits to all round tube motorcycle handlebars.

After installation the device is switched on by the left button. The force needed to operate these rubber buttons is quite high. After switching on for the first time, the system needs initial calibration, which requires driving for 4 minutes uninterrupted at speeds above 20 kph - not at speeds lower than 20 kph, as what is written in the instructions. That is actually not an easy task in a place like Singapore, and of course it took me a while to figure out initial calibration works above 20 kph.

Follow carefully the instructions to start the calibration process. Don't loose patience, 4 minutes can appear to be lenghty. Should there only one sensor get calibrated first, one tends to get nervous questioning if it really works or not. It does. The other sensor may need a minute more. Just ride on and don't touch any button. After the initialisation has finished, the display unit functions always reliable. From now on the internal tire temperatures and air pressures are checked every 60 seconds.

The are different alarms which can be pre-set to trigger a bright red led. I recommend setting the different alarms after the above step has been taken.


Plusses and Minusses

+ Solid, watertight and small housing
+ Easy to read display, also in bright sunlight
+ Alarm programming
+ No wires or cabling whatsoever
+ Internal tire temps interesting to watch, and may be useful in winter or under extreme hot weather
+ Firm pressure buttons prevent wrong operation

- Buttons require very firm pressure, somewhat difficult with gloves
- Every time an alarm setting is changed the clock needs to be set again
- There is no satisfactory option for a 100% theft-safe installation
- Price


My Conclusion:

Tire pressures can be checked for free at petrol stations, day and night, 7 days a week. So how can I justify the expense of US$ 350 / S$ 510 / Euro 259 ?

1. I am tired of the imprecise or damaged tire pumps at local petrol station.
2. I have only two wheels. If one fails, I am in trouble. A tire pressure monitor constantly watches the health of my tires.

The Tire Watch works as promised + the niggles are minor = I would buy it again.

Wish: Option for permanent installation with current supply from the motorcycle battery.
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Monday, May 21st 2007, 9:26pm

Nice write up ;) pipercross air filter kit will be on it's way shortly.

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Monday, September 17th 2007, 1:38pm

Kisan Tire Alert



+ Euro 60 / $ 100 cheaper than the Tire Watch
+ nicer looking display
+ hooking to the motorcycle's electrical system
+ buttons easier to depress with gloves on

- wiring to separate transmitters required
- huge pick-up transmitters (the greyish pieces on the photo)

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Wednesday, January 2nd 2008, 11:48pm

I was interest to find out if tire sealants would damage the sensor in my Tire Watch.

email to Tire Watch

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Dear Sirs

I am using your Tire Watch since May 2007 on my motorcycle BMW R 1200 GS.

With the tire watch sensor mounted to the rims, would a tire sealant such as http://www.ride-on.com block the sensors?

Regards
Peter Kroll


reply from Tire Watch within a few hours

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Dear Mr Kroll,
Thanks for using our tire pressure monitoring system. TIRE WATCH has be
conceived to be functional even if you use a tire sealant - the centrifugal
stress make the foam go away from the sensor that can continue measuring right
pressure.
Staying at your disposal for any further query you may have.
Wish you all the best for 2008.
Best regards,

Sophie MARQUIE
TIRE WATCH AM Sales Executive


Thanks Sophie!
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Thursday, January 3rd 2008, 1:53am

I made the same query about using Ride-On sealant with my Smart Tire system. Answer was not recommended as may plug the sensor hole. Using the rational of centrifugal force keeping the sealant away from the center rim, where the sensors are mounted, I have been using it anyway and have not had any problems.

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Thursday, January 3rd 2008, 2:03am

Would be nice to have more clarity with this point. I guess they have to say that, since they don't want to be blamed if sensors get clogged.
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Friday, June 20th 2008, 8:29pm

Here is another battery operated alternative from company tpm-systems AG . The market price is Euro 129 / US$ 201 / S$ 275

One battery for the display unit, user exchangeable button cell for the sensor



Display unit (changeable to psi)



Sensor integrated in the valve caps for easy installation, caps van be secured



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Monday, August 4th 2008, 12:10am

Doran 360M

The Doran 360M is an alternative for operation on 12 V. The sensors are small, and can be installed either outside or inside the rim. Unfortunately it does not show the tire inside temperatures. Price is US$ 249.99 / Euro 160 / S$ 340.





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Tuesday, August 5th 2008, 8:43pm

Thanks for the write-up, Peter.

I'm wondering if the use of Dyna-Beads for wheel balancing could possibly damage the internal sensors used by the Tire Watch? I figure both the TPMS and Doran, being external, shouldn't be affected. Theoretically, since the beads are held against the tire wall by centrifugal force, and the sensor is mounted inside the rim, I doubt it would cause a problem... but still, I'm just curious.

By the way, if you haven't tried ceramic beads for wheel balancing, I highly recommend you look into it. No more wheel weights and the Wee-Strom has never been so smooth. I know it sounds like yet another "miracle product", and I never would've tried it had it not been so highly recommended by a few fellow motorcyclists. Now, I'm a convert! :thumbsup:

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Tuesday, August 5th 2008, 9:11pm

Thanks for link and info! I agree it is an interesting product. But unless I have a confirmation from the pressure monitor supplier or from Dyna-Beads, I would refrain from using them.

Dyna-Beads says:

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Note: If your wheels have a TPMS system that is part of the valve stem, you may not be able to install the beads using the Applicator.


Tire pressure monitor - I've got used to it so much, can't image not to have one anymore. Too much screws, nails and rivets on the roads here. I am riding at current with two patches on my rear.
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Tuesday, August 5th 2008, 9:23pm

Dyna-Beads says:

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Note: If your wheels have a TPMS system that is part of the valve stem, you may not be able to install the beads using the Applicator.

I'd read that, but it doesn't prevent you from adding the beads during the regular tire change. You simply can't use the applicator.

I agree that sometimes a slow leak (nail, screw, etc.) can take a while to find out about, and by the time you do serious damage could've happened to the tire. That's why I'm interested in the TPMS systems. That and the fact that I'll sometimes lower the tire pressure for better grip in sandy or muddy terrain, and it's happened a few times that I forgot to bring them back to "normal" pressure for tarmac. Of course, after a few kms it became apparent that something wasn't quite right. :rolleyes:

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Tuesday, August 5th 2008, 9:32pm

Hm, ok - I just read it can be installed 'open' with a new tire. I 'll write to them and with a pic of my sensors.
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Thursday, August 7th 2008, 12:46am

How to operate the Tire Watch from on-board power?

There is a thread about a modification for operating the Tire Watch from on-board power. Read here: Tire Watch modification .
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Tuesday, September 8th 2009, 9:50am

Peter, still happy with your tire watch? Any problems with dead sensors (battery)?

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Friday, September 11th 2009, 12:52am

Generally I am still happy with the Tire Watch. It is still one of the best tire pressure monitors in the market, I believe. I did compare the pressure display with several electronic pressure meters, among them professional devices. My Tire Watch works spot on accurate. The temperature display is not a toy only, but it can be a useful indicator to help avoiding unnecessary tire shredding, as I learned (in particular during my trip through Australia, at 80 C in the display the rear melts like butter in the sun).

Here as well my criticism:
- I'd prefer the unit to be powered by motorcycle power
- Adjusting the time forces to go through the entire set-up cycle, such as the warning thresholds (but not again initializing the sensors, of course)
- Since about 8 weeks the rear sensor battery is weak, shown by alternating 'Low' in the display. Two years juice only is a bit less, IMO. The front shows still no signs of weakness, so it could be a case of the rear battery being weaker from the beginning.
- The price is a little steep.

To the modifications which I did I've got a remark as well. I personally would not do the soldering on the micro-switches again, caused me to open the things one more time and detaching the cables. Since then I have a small visible patch on the display, possibly caused by overheating. My fault. The small modification for driving the display unit from the motorcycle power however is convenient.

Hope this helps. Hope things are going well for you!
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Friday, September 11th 2009, 6:58pm

Thanks for the update Peter. Yes all is well on this end.

As you know I've had the SmartTire system on the old bike for a number of years & it has been good with temp, pressure & smart readout. The only problems I've had where thumb fisted tire changers breaking the sensors twice. It has been discontinued & what sensors are still out there are old stock and the last one I received only lasted about 1.5 years before the battery gave it up. But the other is still going after 3 years.

I have the Kisan Tire Alert on the new bike, and I have to put it in the piece of shit category. Overall very hard install, several failures of new parts & the sensors are a bit vulnerable. It is also not very actuate & does not have a temp readout. I also question the waterproofness of the display unit. The sensors can also go weird in a good rain storm.

The smart tire was on my list of possibles, but having to mod for bike power, internal tire & non-replaceable battery sensors & cost over here ($400) has just about killed it for me.

I think I'm going with the below unit. It is sold by several manufactures & the price is right with simple install & replaceable battery's. Not waterproof, but can just put the display in tank bag if it starts raining. Just have to remember to turn it on. :D

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Saturday, September 12th 2009, 10:27am

I thought about it as well. It meets 'keep it simple' requirements and the price is attractive. In the end I prefer something fixed to the bike. But for the money it seems a great device.

Do you know how they make sure no air can escape the sensor cap? I have long term concerns.
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Saturday, September 12th 2009, 7:35pm

Do you know how they make sure no air can escape the sensor cap? I have long term concerns.

No, but ordered one yesterday. I'll take a look when it gets here.

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Monday, September 14th 2009, 2:51pm

Hello to you all

Wonder if this "Tire watch" will work on my GSA 2007,
Heard that it will only work on later models with the valv in the middle of the rim.
On mine the valve is not in the center of the rim...

Regards fredrik

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 8:21pm

I thought about it as well. It meets 'keep it simple' requirements and the price is attractive. In the end I prefer something fixed to the bike. But for the money it seems a great device.

Do you know how they make sure no air can escape the sensor cap? I have long term concerns.


Been using the unit from Showchrome, purchased for $159 on sale, for a few weeks and it is mostly good. Very simple install, probably about 5 minutes with programming display unit & inserting batteries included. Programming is setting the min & max pressures & max temps for the alarm function. Actual installation is just screwing the sensors onto the valve stems. The pressure accuracy is very good, they are within 0.5 PSI of my digital gage. No way to tell about the temperatute readings, but seem about right. When the display is turned on it reads the last pressures measured & will display updated pressures when the bike starts moving. The sensors are transmitting continuously when they are awake. This is after first movement and will power down after 20 minutes of no movement. The display powers down after 1 hour of no sensor inputs, if you forget to turn it off. To test response time I unscrewed both sensors, one at a time, and the alarm happens within 2 seconds. The alarm consists of beeping and/or vibrating, depending on how you have it set, and the backlight on the display flashes yellow. This repeats every 5 seconds.

The down side is the readout is rather small, for my eyes, and the sensors have to be removed to adjust tire pressures, just like valve stem caps. When the sensors are scewed back on you get an instant pressure readout. If the anti-thieft device is used, then you have to mess with a little allen wrench when removing sensors.

I don't see battery life as a problem. The display battery should last for 6 months to one year & is one AAA battery. Being able to replace the sensor batteries is good & they use a cheap flat cell that is supposed to last 1 - 1 1/2 years. I would guess this depends on how much riding you do, so expect less from mine. The display will give warnings for low battery for itself & both sensors.

To answer your question, I don't know. The internal sensor is made of brass & there is a probe that opens the valve when it's screwed on & a medium to hard density rubber seal for the stem. They do ask you to test with soapy water for leaks when first installed. Very little air is lost when sensors are installed or removed.

So far :thumbsup: My unit is black.

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